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Post by GarlenGreenGoblin on Oct 2, 2009 17:00:07 GMT -5
I've seen this video it's not bad, but i would like to add something,
After the Fact, when he made his transformers 2 review, he mentioned that Skids and Mudflap were increasingly racist, I'm not defending it but i am going to say that(even though i absolutely love this movie) The Dark Knight has racism in it. in 3 ways,
1.) Gamble, who the joker stole from, was the Blackest Mob Boss who was killed (literally) by the whitest character along with his goons, when they could of had a different mob boss act as gamble did.
2.) Commisioner Loeb(btw @ people who though he was based on Jeph Loeb or as a nod to him, read Batman Year One) was the Only noticable black cop, was poisoned again killed by the whitest character in the movie.
3.)Prisoner from Black Gate, he spoke in a very ghetto and un-intelligent manner, and also was portrayed in stereotype racism via is intimidating stature as a prisoner.
i will expect hate mail for this but it is kinda true
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Post by browncoateric on Oct 2, 2009 17:41:55 GMT -5
I've seen this video it's not bad, but i would like to add something, After the Fact, when he made his transformers 2 review, he mentioned that Skids and Mudflap were increasingly racist, I'm not defending it but i am going to say that(even though i absolutely love this movie) The Dark Knight has racism in it. in 3 ways, 1.) Gamble, who the joker stole from, was the Blackest Mob Boss who was killed (literally) by the whitest character along with his goons, when they could of had a different mob boss act as gamble did. 2.) Commisioner Loeb(btw @ people who though he was based on Jeph Loeb or as a nod to him, read Batman Year One) was the Only noticable black cop, was poisoned again killed by the whitest character in the movie. 3.)Prisoner from Black Gate, he spoke in a very ghetto and un-intelligent manner, and also was portrayed in stereotype racism via is intimidating stature as a prisoner. i will expect hate mail for this but it is kinda true 1. Your excluding hte possability that 1. He wasn't written as black but the guy cast just happened to be and 2. He was the only of the 3 big mob bosses that didn't play into the plot later. Also that's not racisim. That's like saying The Matrix is racist because only Morpheus get's captured. 2. Yeah he had to die because of the plot. Had nothing to do with race. In fact it's the reverse of racist since Comisioner Loeb was white in the comics. 3.............................................just wow.
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Post by GarlenGreenGoblin on Oct 2, 2009 18:03:16 GMT -5
I've seen this video it's not bad, but i would like to add something, After the Fact, when he made his transformers 2 review, he mentioned that Skids and Mudflap were increasingly racist, I'm not defending it but i am going to say that(even though i absolutely love this movie) The Dark Knight has racism in it. in 3 ways, 1.) Gamble, who the joker stole from, was the Blackest Mob Boss who was killed (literally) by the whitest character along with his goons, when they could of had a different mob boss act as gamble did. 2.) Commisioner Loeb(btw @ people who though he was based on Jeph Loeb or as a nod to him, read Batman Year One) was the Only noticable black cop, was poisoned again killed by the whitest character in the movie. 3.)Prisoner from Black Gate, he spoke in a very ghetto and un-intelligent manner, and also was portrayed in stereotype racism via is intimidating stature as a prisoner. i will expect hate mail for this but it is kinda true 1. Your excluding hte possability that 1. He wasn't written as black but the guy cast just happened to be and 2. He was the only of the 3 big mob bosses that didn't play into the plot later. Also that's not racisim. That's like saying The Matrix is racist because only Morpheus get's captured. 2. Yeah he had to die because of the plot. Had nothing to do with race. In fact it's the reverse of racist since Comisioner Loeb was white in the comics. 3.............................................just wow. 1. ill admit that maybe im excluding the possibility, but, it could also had been intentional that the Joker seems to kill a majority of black people. 2. he could've retired at the end. 3. its about as true as skids and mudflap
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Post by browncoateric on Oct 3, 2009 11:36:17 GMT -5
1. Your excluding hte possability that 1. He wasn't written as black but the guy cast just happened to be and 2. He was the only of the 3 big mob bosses that didn't play into the plot later. Also that's not racisim. That's like saying The Matrix is racist because only Morpheus get's captured. 2. Yeah he had to die because of the plot. Had nothing to do with race. In fact it's the reverse of racist since Comisioner Loeb was white in the comics. 3.............................................just wow. 1. ill admit that maybe im excluding the possibility, but, it could also had been intentional that the Joker seems to kill a majority of black people. 2. he could've retired at the end. 3. its about as true as skids and mudflap 1. 2 black people ............wow. 2. No he HAD to die for the story. If none the Joker said they he was going to kill died it wouldn't have worked at all. are you upset at the white people he killed? No? Of course not cuz that would be logical. 3. No in no way. That was a big black guy who you can belive people are scared of. In what way is that racisim? I'm sure on some planet your debating skills are impressive. But your weak link is this is earth.
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Post by GarlenGreenGoblin on Oct 3, 2009 12:52:30 GMT -5
1. ill admit that maybe im excluding the possibility, but, it could also had been intentional that the Joker seems to kill a majority of black people. 2. he could've retired at the end. 3. its about as true as skids and mudflap 1. 2 black people ............wow. 2. No he HAD to die for the story. If none the Joker said they he was going to kill died it wouldn't have worked at all. are you upset at the white people he killed? No? Of course not cuz that would be logical. 3. No in no way. That was a big black guy who you can belive people are scared of. In what way is that racisim? I'm sure on some planet your debating skills are impressive. But your weak link is this is earth. 1. Sarcasm that's never been done before. 2. No he didn't he was used for a tool of the film to show how destructive the joker was, they could've easily made him live. 3. actually i wasn't the actor didn't look threatning, i could see someone like that in more of a church setting then as a prisoner
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Post by jtrain997 on Oct 3, 2009 22:58:44 GMT -5
ok what Ive been called a rascist and seen some very racsict shit in my day but really the dark knight? It had black male actors in leading roles they died because a phsycopath killed them Its important the commisoner died 1 to show that no one not even the head of police was safe from the joker and to move the plot in position for gordon to take over he could have been white but then you would be basing giving the role to someone based on color thats racsim and didnt look threatening that bastard had to be going on 7 feet tall what kind of a church would he go to with all those scars and tat's its exactly like when they cast Michael Clark Duncan as kingpin they couldnt find a big enough white guy and a skinny non muscular white guy just wasnt threatening
skids and mudflap are rascist because theyre stereotypes in speach appearance and demeanor had the joker poisend the commisoners fried chicken then it would be rascist had he beat the gangster to death with a watermelon rascist but just basing it on he killed black guys he also killed lao (chinese or korean) a vast ammount of white guys and several white women with no women of color dying throughout the film
about him speaking "ghetto" the prime people in prison are one of 2 white trash meth dealin rednecks or "gangstas why? because these people grow up in shit neiborhoods in shit conditions scraping by on welfare checks and theyre lives reap what theyre upbringing sewed a healthy disrispect of law and order because they grew up in a neiborhood already polluted by crime found a gang found a sense of well being and a place where they fit in and got tied up in the drug game or some other illegal activities (and I mean white guys too)
and arent we forgetting? The big scary black guy threw out the detonator a prime example of self sacrafice a very respectable act in my opinion and not a stereotype
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Post by GarlenGreenGoblin on Oct 3, 2009 23:32:40 GMT -5
ok what Ive been called a rascist and seen some very racsict shit in my day but really the dark knight? It had black male actors in leading roles they died because a phsycopath killed them Its important the commisoner died 1 to show that no one not even the head of police was safe from the joker and to move the plot in position for gordon to take over he could have been white but then you would be basing giving the role to someone based on color thats racsim and didnt look threatening that bastard had to be going on 7 feet tall what kind of a church would he go to with all those scars and tat's its exactly like when they cast Michael Clark Duncan as kingpin they couldnt find a big enough white guy and a skinny non muscular white guy just wasnt threatening skids and mudflap are rascist because theyre stereotypes in speach appearance and demeanor had the joker poisend the commisoners fried chicken then it would be rascist had he beat the gangster to death with a watermelon rascist but just basing it on he killed black guys he also killed lao (chinese or korean) a vast ammount of white guys and several white women with no women of color dying throughout the film about him speaking "ghetto" the prime people in prison are one of 2 white trash meth dealin rednecks or "gangstas why? because these people grow up in shit neiborhoods in shit conditions scraping by on welfare checks and theyre lives reap what theyre upbringing sewed a healthy disrispect of law and order because they grew up in a neiborhood already polluted by crime found a gang found a sense of well being and a place where they fit in and got tied up in the drug game or some other illegal activities (and I mean white guys too) and arent we forgetting? The big scary black guy threw out the detonator a prime example of self sacrafice a very respectable act in my opinion and not a stereotype i'll admit the points i bring up aren't a hundred percent valid, and im mostly wrong on this but, not everyone is innocent, skids and mudflap didn't overly push the line, my best friend loved transformers 2(i acutally didn't i was surprised by that) and he said that the only way they could have been racist to him is if they had ate fried chicken played basketball picked cotton or ate watermelons. and said that they were more comedic than racist
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Post by indy94 on Oct 4, 2009 6:31:43 GMT -5
i hate to start this whole thing up again but theres a difference between stereotypes and actually racism. from wikipedia stereotypes are A stereotype is a commonly held public belief about specific social groups, or types of individuals. The concepts of "stereotype" and "prejudice" are often confused. Stereotypes are standardized and simplified conceptions of groups, based on some prior assumptions.
thus skid flips and mud flaps are not racist
while racism is Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.
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Post by jtrain997 on Oct 4, 2009 9:38:42 GMT -5
stereotypes promote rascism because a stereotype often makes one race look ignorant or inferior (while not all stereotypes are like all asian people being smart) and what do you think of when you hear someone has a gold tooth speaks in ebonics and threatend to bust a cap in yo ass even jazz in the first movie with whats crackin bitches this looks like a cool place to kick it thus skids and mudflap are very obviously rascist depictions couldnt we have had an intelligent character I understand theyre has to be comic relief but really?
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Post by browncoateric on Oct 4, 2009 10:26:53 GMT -5
i hate to start this whole thing up again but theres a difference between stereotypes and actually racism. from wikipedia stereotypes are A stereotype is a commonly held public belief about specific social groups, or types of individuals. The concepts of "stereotype" and "prejudice" are often confused. Stereotypes are standardized and simplified conceptions of groups, based on some prior assumptions. thus skid flips and mud flaps are not racist while racism is Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. But your argument is kind of contradictory. Given the fact that it was a negative stereotype and it DID make them look inferior. They couldn't think, read, or speak.
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Post by indy94 on Oct 4, 2009 12:18:16 GMT -5
but at no point did they say they were black. They were pretty much wiggers.(by the way i'm not saying your racist.)
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Post by indy94 on Oct 4, 2009 12:21:50 GMT -5
stereotypes promote rascism because a stereotype often makes one race look ignorant or inferior (while not all stereotypes are like all asian people being smart) and what do you think of when you hear someone has a gold tooth speaks in ebonics and threatend to bust a cap in yo ass even jazz in the first movie with whats crackin bitches this looks like a cool place to kick it thus skids and mudflap are very obviously rascist depictions couldnt we have had an intelligent character I understand theyre has to be comic relief but really? but isn't putting associating those things with black people racist in itself. (by the way not saying your a racist ether.)
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Post by jtrain997 on Oct 4, 2009 15:49:37 GMT -5
I suppose you could say that but really I could get your argument about white trying to play black but they were machines they had no need to either way theyre playing into a stereotype I do get what your saying though
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Post by indy94 on Oct 4, 2009 17:24:17 GMT -5
in the last movie they said that the robots learned earth's culture though the web so they chose to become what they are in the movie however i think maybe seeing them crash in a all black neighborhood probably would have made the help determine why they act the way they do
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Post by browncoateric on Oct 4, 2009 17:52:33 GMT -5
stereotypes promote rascism because a stereotype often makes one race look ignorant or inferior (while not all stereotypes are like all asian people being smart) and what do you think of when you hear someone has a gold tooth speaks in ebonics and threatend to bust a cap in yo ass even jazz in the first movie with whats crackin bitches this looks like a cool place to kick it thus skids and mudflap are very obviously rascist depictions couldnt we have had an intelligent character I understand theyre has to be comic relief but really? No that's not racist because those are all negative black stereotypes. If they had only one of them it would be fine. But they have a large number of negative black stereotypes , Slurred speach, not ebing able to read, being violent for no reason, monkey faces (and as I've said many times before this is old school rascisim and you have to TRY to be racist like this), big ears, jive talking, and hip hop movies (granted this isn't a negative stereotype but thrown in with the others it really doesn't help), but isn't putting associating those things with black people racist in itself. (by the way not saying your a racist ether.)
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