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Post by GarlenGreenGoblin on Dec 17, 2009 21:33:20 GMT -5
hey i am not disagreeing with you guys on the vote, or jason not being a good robin. all i am saying is them bringing jason back even after the vote is not a good reason to keep hateing him. i can understand if you flat out dont like how he is portrayed but to hate him mainly for the fact that dc brought him back despite the vote is just silly. its a win win for me, i wanted him to die so i got what i wanted, and then when he came back dc molded him into the anti batman. what bruce would be if bruce crossed the line........... oh and the emotional drama between jason and bruce is just amazing. for me personally it takes away from the joker, i mean one of the biggest things about him was, he killed one of the closest people to Batman, and no one else had, and it just set in stone no other villain would ever top the joker
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Post by browncoateric on Dec 17, 2009 23:07:54 GMT -5
hey i am not disagreeing with you guys on the vote, or jason not being a good robin. all i am saying is them bringing jason back even after the vote is not a good reason to keep hateing him. i can understand if you flat out dont like how he is portrayed but to hate him mainly for the fact that dc brought him back despite the vote is just silly. its a win win for me, i wanted him to die so i got what i wanted, and then when he came back dc molded him into the anti batman. what bruce would be if bruce crossed the line........... oh and the emotional drama between jason and bruce is just amazing. It's not a silly reason if you have standereds. Everything that is "intresting" with Jason Todd was covered and covered better in Knightfall with Azbats.
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Post by andrew on Dec 18, 2009 0:12:36 GMT -5
hey i am not disagreeing with you guys on the vote, or jason not being a good robin. all i am saying is them bringing jason back even after the vote is not a good reason to keep hateing him. i can understand if you flat out dont like how he is portrayed but to hate him mainly for the fact that dc brought him back despite the vote is just silly. its a win win for me, i wanted him to die so i got what i wanted, and then when he came back dc molded him into the anti batman. what bruce would be if bruce crossed the line........... oh and the emotional drama between jason and bruce is just amazing. It's not a silly reason if you have standereds. Everything that is "intresting" with Jason Todd was covered and covered better in Knightfall with Azbats. responding with "if you have standards" is what a closed minded person would say. its about opinions and people are allowed to think what they want. whether you like jason or not it has nothing t do with standards. even thought i believe that its silly that the only reason people hate for jason is the "voting" reason. i respect their opinions knightfall was more about no one but bruce can be batman rather than crossing the line. while crossing the line was definitely a element it was the major theme. this is a area where will have to agree to disagree because i believe jason embody s the crossing the line concept far more than azreal.
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Post by browncoateric on Dec 18, 2009 3:59:39 GMT -5
It's not a silly reason if you have standereds. Everything that is "intresting" with Jason Todd was covered and covered better in Knightfall with Azbats. responding with "if you have standards" is what a closed minded person would say. its about opinions and people are allowed to think what they want. whether you like jason or not it has nothing t do with standards. even thought i believe that its silly that the only reason people hate for jason is the "voting" reason. i respect their opinions knightfall was more about no one but bruce can be batman rather than crossing the line. while crossing the line was definitely a element it was the major theme. this is a area where will have to agree to disagree because i believe jason embody s the crossing the line concept far more than azreal. But it is about standereds. Just like th Captain America Reborn thing. When comics companies say they are doing one thing and then screw over the fans by doing another and people just roll over and say ok. That's a standereds issue not an opinions issue. Except that that's not true at all. Jason todd is really just doing the exact same thing as Azbats with 2 exceptions. The first is tha tBatman didn't apoint him he's just an asshole who thinks he's Batman. And Batman apointing him is just so much more intresting because it's Batman's fuck up. And the other is that he uses guns which could be REALLY intresting if Batman had apointed him. But becaus ehe's just an asshole who has no significance to the Batman universe at all (well he doesn't now that he's back. he HAD significance and was a huge part of the Joker Batman relationship but now that's gone). Now he's just unwanted garbage.
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Post by andrew on Dec 18, 2009 10:14:12 GMT -5
responding with "if you have standards" is what a closed minded person would say. its about opinions and people are allowed to think what they want. whether you like jason or not it has nothing t do with standards. even thought i believe that its silly that the only reason people hate for jason is the "voting" reason. i respect their opinions knightfall was more about no one but bruce can be batman rather than crossing the line. while crossing the line was definitely a element it was the major theme. this is a area where will have to agree to disagree because i believe jason embody s the crossing the line concept far more than azreal. But it is about standereds. Just like th Captain America Reborn thing. When comics companies say they are doing one thing and then screw over the fans by doing another and people just roll over and say ok. That's a standereds issue not an opinions issue. Except that that's not true at all. Jason todd is really just doing the exact same thing as Azbats with 2 exceptions. The first is tha tBatman didn't apoint him he's just an asshole who thinks he's Batman. And Batman apointing him is just so much more intresting because it's Batman's fuck up. And the other is that he uses guns which could be REALLY intresting if Batman had apointed him. But becaus ehe's just an asshole who has no significance to the Batman universe at all (well he doesn't now that he's back. he HAD significance and was a huge part of the Joker Batman relationship but now that's gone). Now he's just unwanted garbage. i am not say that it screwing over the fans at all bringing him back. what i am saying that if the only reason you dis like jason is that then that not enough in my book. you and i had this conversation before on aim and you admitted that you had no reason to hate jason todd at all and it really was that he came back to life that bothered you. (although i sure your going to deny that convo ever took place). as for jason vs azbats. what you dont understand is that jason just represent the anti batman. jason had no intentions to be batman at all except in battle fore the cowl but that was purely for story and only becuase bruce was dead. i can see your side of the story, i really can.... but i dont think you can see past the whole voteing thing (like you have admited). if you dont like jason todd i respect that. respect the fact that other people may like him. if not then thats your choice. that seems to be a problem with you sometimes is you dont value or respect other peoples opinions.
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Post by browncoateric on Dec 18, 2009 12:39:20 GMT -5
But it is about standereds. Just like th Captain America Reborn thing. When comics companies say they are doing one thing and then screw over the fans by doing another and people just roll over and say ok. That's a standereds issue not an opinions issue. Except that that's not true at all. Jason todd is really just doing the exact same thing as Azbats with 2 exceptions. The first is tha tBatman didn't apoint him he's just an asshole who thinks he's Batman. And Batman apointing him is just so much more intresting because it's Batman's fuck up. And the other is that he uses guns which could be REALLY intresting if Batman had apointed him. But becaus ehe's just an asshole who has no significance to the Batman universe at all (well he doesn't now that he's back. he HAD significance and was a huge part of the Joker Batman relationship but now that's gone). Now he's just unwanted garbage. i am not say that it screwing over the fans at all bringing him back. what i am saying that if the only reason you dis like jason is that then that not enough in my book. you and i had this conversation before on aim and you admitted that you had no reason to hate jason todd at all and it really was that he came back to life that bothered you. (although i sure your going to deny that convo ever took place). as for jason vs azbats. what you dont understand is that jason just represent the anti batman. jason had no intentions to be batman at all except in battle fore the cowl but that was purely for story and only becuase bruce was dead. i can see your side of the story, i really can.... but i dont think you can see past the whole voteing thing (like you have admited). if you dont like jason todd i respect that. respect the fact that other people may like him. if not then thats your choice. that seems to be a problem with you sometimes is you dont value or respect other peoples opinions. I know YOUR not saying it's screwing over fans I am. It's them lieing abd screwing over fans. yes I did say that. But now that I know Jason as a character I hate him even more cuz he's just a dick and annoying. Jason is redundent. As "anti-batman" there are plenty of other characters that are or have been that. Azbats, Deadshot, Damion, Hush. He's nothign new and nothign intresting is done with it. It doesn't justify the huge insult to fans his existence is. Plus ON TOP of all that they KEEP lieing about him with every event they say "Jason todd's redemtion is in this" I don't have a problem respecting other peoples opinions (note I'm not insulting you and say you can't) except for with Twilight and Transformers 2 which is because those people are WRONG. I dont' have a problem with your opinion I'm just stating mine and why I dissagree. That is what your supposed to do ina debate no?
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Post by andrew on Dec 18, 2009 13:47:25 GMT -5
i am not say that it screwing over the fans at all bringing him back. what i am saying that if the only reason you dis like jason is that then that not enough in my book. you and i had this conversation before on aim and you admitted that you had no reason to hate jason todd at all and it really was that he came back to life that bothered you. (although i sure your going to deny that convo ever took place). as for jason vs azbats. what you dont understand is that jason just represent the anti batman. jason had no intentions to be batman at all except in battle fore the cowl but that was purely for story and only becuase bruce was dead. i can see your side of the story, i really can.... but i dont think you can see past the whole voteing thing (like you have admited). if you dont like jason todd i respect that. respect the fact that other people may like him. if not then thats your choice. that seems to be a problem with you sometimes is you dont value or respect other peoples opinions. I know YOUR not saying it's screwing over fans I am. It's them lieing abd screwing over fans. yes I did say that. But now that I know Jason as a character I hate him even more cuz he's just a dick and annoying. Jason is redundent. As "anti-batman" there are plenty of other characters that are or have been that. Azbats, Deadshot, Damion, Hush. He's nothign new and nothign intresting is done with it. It doesn't justify the huge insult to fans his existence is. Plus ON TOP of all that they KEEP lieing about him with every event they say "Jason todd's redemtion is in this" I don't have a problem respecting other peoples opinions (note I'm not insulting you and say you can't) except for with Twilight and Transformers 2 which is because those people are WRONG. I dont' have a problem with your opinion I'm just stating mine and why I dissagree. That is what your supposed to do ina debate no? that is what you do in a debate, however two people should not debate over their opinions of something. in that case there is not right or wrong. yes even with something like transformers or twilight. don't get me wrong, I HATE twilight, however i am not a 14 yr old teenage girl. this is the point in a discussion where its just best to agree to dis agree. because in the end it will go nowhere
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Post by browncoateric on Dec 18, 2009 14:20:09 GMT -5
I know YOUR not saying it's screwing over fans I am. It's them lieing abd screwing over fans. yes I did say that. But now that I know Jason as a character I hate him even more cuz he's just a dick and annoying. Jason is redundent. As "anti-batman" there are plenty of other characters that are or have been that. Azbats, Deadshot, Damion, Hush. He's nothign new and nothign intresting is done with it. It doesn't justify the huge insult to fans his existence is. Plus ON TOP of all that they KEEP lieing about him with every event they say "Jason todd's redemtion is in this" I don't have a problem respecting other peoples opinions (note I'm not insulting you and say you can't) except for with Twilight and Transformers 2 which is because those people are WRONG. I dont' have a problem with your opinion I'm just stating mine and why I dissagree. That is what your supposed to do ina debate no? that is what you do in a debate, however two people should not debate over their opinions of something. in that case there is not right or wrong. yes even with something like transformers or twilight. don't get me wrong, I HATE twilight, however i am not a 14 yr old teenage girl. this is the point in a discussion where its just best to agree to dis agree. because in the end it will go nowhere Wow........just wow............if there WAS a right and wrong there wouldn't be a debate now would there? That's just a rediculas statement. No people on Transformers 2 and Twilight are wrong. there is no deffence that works for ether. Oen is a racist offensive stupid (and I dont' mean stupid liek that that's stupid stupid like insulting at how bad it is). Twilight has the same level of stupidity AND it puts down men and women. It shoudl not be allowed to be viewed by 14 year old girls because it teaches them men are toys to be used and women shoudl be completely obssesed with there man. It's a horrible message. Oh an dhte whole demon baby thing destroying her uteris.
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Post by andrew on Dec 18, 2009 15:29:36 GMT -5
that is what you do in a debate, however two people should not debate over their opinions of something. in that case there is not right or wrong. yes even with something like transformers or twilight. don't get me wrong, I HATE twilight, however i am not a 14 yr old teenage girl. this is the point in a discussion where its just best to agree to dis agree. because in the end it will go nowhere Wow........just wow............if there WAS a right and wrong there wouldn't be a debate now would there? That's just a rediculas statement. No people on Transformers 2 and Twilight are wrong. there is no deffence that works for ether. Oen is a racist offensive stupid (and I dont' mean stupid liek that that's stupid stupid like insulting at how bad it is). Twilight has the same level of stupidity AND it puts down men and women. It shoudl not be allowed to be viewed by 14 year old girls because it teaches them men are toys to be used and women shoudl be completely obssesed with there man. It's a horrible message. Oh an dhte whole demon baby thing destroying her uteris. please....... it a very logical statement. what is the point of debating no a topic such as for example i like jason todd and you dont. it would go no where. its lie how you love linda as super il and thinks she a good super girl, fact is that she is not.... at all. how ever debating it will you would be a wast of you time. a topic like zelda theorizing would be an issue to debate about. giving facts to determine what would be a strong theory or a weak one. maybe i am going about this wrong. what i should be stating is debating with you is a wast of time. you are very closed minded and dont see the full spectrum of what ever topic.there many different sides to any situation.you also dont always have all the facts for some of things you argue/talk about. i would never open my mouth on a issue which i didnt have all the facts about. like i said this is going no where, its best to agree to disagree and move on. clear, plain, simple. unless thats too hard
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Post by browncoateric on Dec 18, 2009 23:29:13 GMT -5
Wow........just wow............if there WAS a right and wrong there wouldn't be a debate now would there? That's just a rediculas statement. No people on Transformers 2 and Twilight are wrong. there is no deffence that works for ether. Oen is a racist offensive stupid (and I dont' mean stupid liek that that's stupid stupid like insulting at how bad it is). Twilight has the same level of stupidity AND it puts down men and women. It shoudl not be allowed to be viewed by 14 year old girls because it teaches them men are toys to be used and women shoudl be completely obssesed with there man. It's a horrible message. Oh an dhte whole demon baby thing destroying her uteris. please....... it a very logical statement. what is the point of debating no a topic such as for example i like jason todd and you dont. it would go no where. its lie how you love linda as super il and thinks she a good super girl, fact is that she is not.... at all. how ever debating it will you would be a wast of you time. a topic like zelda theorizing would be an issue to debate about. giving facts to determine what would be a strong theory or a weak one. maybe i am going about this wrong. what i should be stating is debating with you is a wast of time. you are very closed minded and dont see the full spectrum of what ever topic.there many different sides to any situation.you also dont always have all the facts for some of things you argue/talk about. i would never open my mouth on a issue which i didnt have all the facts about. like i said this is going no where, its best to agree to disagree and move on. clear, plain, simple. unless thats too hard no it is infact te opisite of logic Since opinions are the only ting you CAN debate on. Since anything else is a fact. And you can't debate those. Yur statment is miss everything. Except that you have absolutely no facts to back that up. There's no "facts" I'm issing about Transformers 2 being a god awfu abomination, Twilight being one of the most morally degrading things out there, and JasonTodd being a slap int eh face to fans.
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Post by andrew on Dec 19, 2009 1:27:17 GMT -5
please....... it a very logical statement. what is the point of debating no a topic such as for example i like jason todd and you dont. it would go no where. its lie how you love linda as super il and thinks she a good super girl, fact is that she is not.... at all. how ever debating it will you would be a wast of you time. a topic like zelda theorizing would be an issue to debate about. giving facts to determine what would be a strong theory or a weak one. maybe i am going about this wrong. what i should be stating is debating with you is a wast of time. you are very closed minded and dont see the full spectrum of what ever topic.there many different sides to any situation.you also dont always have all the facts for some of things you argue/talk about. i would never open my mouth on a issue which i didnt have all the facts about. like i said this is going no where, its best to agree to disagree and move on. clear, plain, simple. unless thats too hard no it is infact te opisite of logic Since opinions are the only ting you CAN debate on. Since anything else is a fact. And you can't debate those. Yur statment is miss everything. Except that you have absolutely no facts to back that up. There's no "facts" I'm issing about Transformers 2 being a god awfu abomination, Twilight being one of the most morally degrading things out there, and JasonTodd being a slap int eh face to fans. that in of its self is a false statement. while opinions may play a factor in a debate, it is not the only thing you debate about. you need fact, hard facts to back up what ever your debate. have you ever been in a formal debate? o on a debate team? or taken a professional communications class? these are the basic things one learns in and discussion or debating situation. its a bit insulting when you get into a "discussion" with anyone and you don't even know what your talking about. lol i showed y professor at college this thread and what you were saying on it while i was in the computer lab, they thought you were little kid with half the stuff your saying. and man wow you got to check you spelling and grammar, half the time i cant even tell what your saying....and its bad when the message board gives you a spell checker to use.
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Post by browncoateric on Dec 19, 2009 4:02:26 GMT -5
no it is infact te opisite of logic Since opinions are the only ting you CAN debate on. Since anything else is a fact. And you can't debate those. Yur statment is miss everything. Except that you have absolutely no facts to back that up. There's no "facts" I'm issing about Transformers 2 being a god awfu abomination, Twilight being one of the most morally degrading things out there, and JasonTodd being a slap int eh face to fans. that in of its self is a false statement. while opinions may play a factor in a debate, it is not the only thing you debate about. you need fact, hard facts to back up what ever your debate. have you ever been in a formal debate? o on a debate team? or taken a professional communications class? these are the basic things one learns in and discussion or debating situation. its a bit insulting when you get into a "discussion" with anyone and you don't even know what your talking about. lol i showed y professor at college this thread and what you were saying on it while i was in the computer lab, they thought you were little kid with half the stuff your saying. and man wow you got to check you spelling and grammar, half the time i cant even tell what your saying....and its bad when the message board gives you a spell checker to use. Except that that's not true at all. They debate on things that are purely opinion ALL THE TIME! That's what you fucking debate. Opinions. If you tried useing facts in any of your arguments you wouldn't be able to defend Transformers 2. I mean did you notice how people debate about abortion and the death penelty because those are opinions. but the sky being blue has neve rbeen debated. I honestly don't belive you and asume your ether saying that to make yourself look smarter OR you gave them a bunch of false or biased information about Jason Todd to make yourself look smart. Also you know what FUCK YOU. You all but abandoned this forum and it's members for like 6 montsh with no word. Then when i make a vid to get some more people here you show up again. Fuck you.
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Post by andrew on Dec 19, 2009 10:55:59 GMT -5
that in of its self is a false statement. while opinions may play a factor in a debate, it is not the only thing you debate about. you need fact, hard facts to back up what ever your debate. have you ever been in a formal debate? o on a debate team? or taken a professional communications class? these are the basic things one learns in and discussion or debating situation. its a bit insulting when you get into a "discussion" with anyone and you don't even know what your talking about. lol i showed y professor at college this thread and what you were saying on it while i was in the computer lab, they thought you were little kid with half the stuff your saying. and man wow you got to check you spelling and grammar, half the time i cant even tell what your saying....and its bad when the message board gives you a spell checker to use. Except that that's not true at all. They debate on things that are purely opinion ALL THE TIME! That's what you fucking debate. Opinions. If you tried useing facts in any of your arguments you wouldn't be able to defend Transformers 2. I mean did you notice how people debate about abortion and the death penelty because those are opinions. but the sky being blue has neve rbeen debated. I honestly don't belive you and asume your ether saying that to make yourself look smarter OR you gave them a bunch of false or biased information about Jason Todd to make yourself look smart. Also you know what FUCK YOU. You all but abandoned this forum and it's members for like 6 montsh with no word. Then when i make a vid to get some more people here you show up again. Fuck you. You can believe what you want eric, but i am just stating the facts, and i not trying to make myself look smarter, just stating the facts . how can i take you seriously when you but up a video about liking vs enjoying and don't understand how people can like something knowing its bad. and then turn around and say that you start smoking even when you know its bad for you. and then turn around and say its less intelligent to enjoy transformers then to start smoking. what kind of logic is that? As for not being on the board all the time. i have had my reason, school, family, 2 deaths in my family a 3rd possibly on the way, work among other things. that stuff comes first, many people have supported me in that. and i was not go 6 months seeing school started in September and i came back in December. that's 2 months in between not posting.... for good reason too. by the way i don't watch you channel for a long time so i didn't even know you posted up and video/videos about the fourms. i have been able to post more recently because the semester is ending. eric there is no need to use vulgar its very childish and not mature at all. i may not always like you eric, but i respect you, i even defended you when hundreds of people say negative things about you (and trust me there are a lot of people). however if this is how your going to act when talking to me then just don't. i will talk with you, debate with you, even argue with you, but i will not stand for flaming, vulgar and disrespect. to avoid anymore conflict, this topic will be closed. thank you
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Post by browncoateric on Dec 19, 2009 15:36:43 GMT -5
You know your constent atempts to look inteligent and morally superior really make you look like an asshole. And I'm tired of your shit.
Keep your own fucking board going.
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